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	<title>Comments on: Islam and the Bane of a Nation:  Part II – Islam at the Gates</title>
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		<title>By: Andrew McCleese</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew McCleese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you for your comment and I would like to take a minute to respond in the interest of an open dialogue about this particular post.  As I warned readers in the begging this one was going to be thick on editorializing and absent of any brevity.  The reason is quite simple, we live in a world of sound bites and slogans and this particular piece was about the typical ad hominem slogans and retorts any time you attempt to have a conversation on this subject.  No matter what you write Aceriter somebody will take issue with it.  It will either be too short on specifics or too longwinded.  I would rather give too much than too little, it is just my style that is derived from my belief that complex subjects such as the intricacies of foreign policy can not be reduced to simple declarative statements.

This piece is part of a 3 part series I am writing to address the typical arguments that surface when discussing the role the Global War on Terror and Islamaphobia has on our Constitution, sense of truth and inalienable freedoms.  It is a three part piece because this is an immense topic.  At no point did I say anything like Muslims have all the same philosophical values and I challenge you to produce any quote such as that.  Quite to the contrary, my stance (and this will be discussed in part three) is that Islam is extremely fractured and is not monolithic, there is no uniform thinking among Muslims.  Additionally, my point is that many people DO lump all Muslims in one category and I agree completely with your statement that we are talking about a very small group of Muslims who eventually commit acts of violence in the form of terrorism.  My direction in this post was to speak to people accustomed to assuming all Muslims are terrorists (or could be), which clearly you rightly do not assume this.  Lastly, I would say that nobody I know, and certainly I do not support Islamic terrorism, so anyone opposing terrorism are not relevant in this piece.  The people I am addressing are the folks who oversimplify and stereotype, once again, none of this seems to be your mode of thinking judging by your comment here.  

As to your final critique, I was attempting to make clear that there are many, many arguments people use in order to object to Islam as an entity.  I listed many of these inside what I am calling the “Islam is evil” argument even though I realize this might be a bit of a misnomer because it would appear as if it is one congruent argument, when in actuality it is a composite of many different types of arguments.  You particular concerns will be addressed in part three and are part of the “Creeping Sharia” and “Eurabia” arguments (which are essentially that Islam is advancing at the destruction of other cultures).  Since these are long topics, I had to divide these up, but believe me, your argument is nothing new and nothing I haven’t considered and will be addressed in part three as I indicated in the closing paragraph.  I intend to use actual statistics and logic to show the myths and hyperbole associated with this concept.  That alone could be a whole post unto itself, but if you want a teaser, here is a couple links about how your argument is going to be deconstructed.

http://www.wilsonquarterly.com/article.cfm?aid=1408

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/article711186.ece

http://www.newsweek.com/2009/07/10/why-fears-of-a-muslim-takeover-are-all-wrong.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/17/opinion/17exum.html?_r=3]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your comment and I would like to take a minute to respond in the interest of an open dialogue about this particular post.  As I warned readers in the begging this one was going to be thick on editorializing and absent of any brevity.  The reason is quite simple, we live in a world of sound bites and slogans and this particular piece was about the typical ad hominem slogans and retorts any time you attempt to have a conversation on this subject.  No matter what you write Aceriter somebody will take issue with it.  It will either be too short on specifics or too longwinded.  I would rather give too much than too little, it is just my style that is derived from my belief that complex subjects such as the intricacies of foreign policy can not be reduced to simple declarative statements.</p>
<p>This piece is part of a 3 part series I am writing to address the typical arguments that surface when discussing the role the Global War on Terror and Islamaphobia has on our Constitution, sense of truth and inalienable freedoms.  It is a three part piece because this is an immense topic.  At no point did I say anything like Muslims have all the same philosophical values and I challenge you to produce any quote such as that.  Quite to the contrary, my stance (and this will be discussed in part three) is that Islam is extremely fractured and is not monolithic, there is no uniform thinking among Muslims.  Additionally, my point is that many people DO lump all Muslims in one category and I agree completely with your statement that we are talking about a very small group of Muslims who eventually commit acts of violence in the form of terrorism.  My direction in this post was to speak to people accustomed to assuming all Muslims are terrorists (or could be), which clearly you rightly do not assume this.  Lastly, I would say that nobody I know, and certainly I do not support Islamic terrorism, so anyone opposing terrorism are not relevant in this piece.  The people I am addressing are the folks who oversimplify and stereotype, once again, none of this seems to be your mode of thinking judging by your comment here.  </p>
<p>As to your final critique, I was attempting to make clear that there are many, many arguments people use in order to object to Islam as an entity.  I listed many of these inside what I am calling the “Islam is evil” argument even though I realize this might be a bit of a misnomer because it would appear as if it is one congruent argument, when in actuality it is a composite of many different types of arguments.  You particular concerns will be addressed in part three and are part of the “Creeping Sharia” and “Eurabia” arguments (which are essentially that Islam is advancing at the destruction of other cultures).  Since these are long topics, I had to divide these up, but believe me, your argument is nothing new and nothing I haven’t considered and will be addressed in part three as I indicated in the closing paragraph.  I intend to use actual statistics and logic to show the myths and hyperbole associated with this concept.  That alone could be a whole post unto itself, but if you want a teaser, here is a couple links about how your argument is going to be deconstructed.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wilsonquarterly.com/article.cfm?aid=1408" rel="nofollow">http://www.wilsonquarterly.com/article.cfm?aid=1408</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/article711186.ece" rel="nofollow">http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/article711186.ece</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.newsweek.com/2009/07/10/why-fears-of-a-muslim-takeover-are-all-wrong.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.newsweek.com/2009/07/10/why-fears-of-a-muslim-takeover-are-all-wrong.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/17/opinion/17exum.html?_r=3" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/17/opinion/17exum.html?_r=3</a></p>
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		<title>By: Aceriter</title>
		<link>http://www.thelibertyvoice.com/islam-and-the-bane-of-a-nation-part-ii-%e2%80%93-islam-at-the-gates/comment-page-1#comment-15689</link>
		<dc:creator>Aceriter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Oct 2010 20:07:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First, I think the writer could have made his points in half the space used. Secondly, he objects to the idea of people thinking ill of all Muslims when only a handful are actually terrorists. 

But he then goes on to do the same thing to those opposing Muslim terrorists as if they all think alike and have the same philosophical values. But we don&#039;t. I am opposed to Muslim immigration into the USA because they will ruin our culture. But I am also opposed to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan as being stupid and wasteful. I sympathize with the Tea Party movement, but I do not think like many in that movement, etc, etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, I think the writer could have made his points in half the space used. Secondly, he objects to the idea of people thinking ill of all Muslims when only a handful are actually terrorists. </p>
<p>But he then goes on to do the same thing to those opposing Muslim terrorists as if they all think alike and have the same philosophical values. But we don&#8217;t. I am opposed to Muslim immigration into the USA because they will ruin our culture. But I am also opposed to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan as being stupid and wasteful. I sympathize with the Tea Party movement, but I do not think like many in that movement, etc, etc.</p>
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